KISS HMV FORUM 04/07/12

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Yeah, I didn't miss anything special....

Ok, here's my honest opinion of the show. Can't be arsed to post this on the other site cos, as I fully expected, it's all partisan.

From where I was, it was nothin more than a scaled down arena show. Pauls voice was actually on par with Download 2008 which was the best he was on the dates I saw. It cracked a fair few times and he spoke the words alot, but it wasn't as bad as I've heard it.

The new song was pretty much 'thrown in' and got out of the way as quick as possible. Playing it second was a mistake and, IMO, it was pretty lame live. Sounded what it is, an average rock tune.

Never thought I'd say this but I am now totally bored with set list. Out of all the songs played only Makin Love got me really excited. Black Diamond & RARAN rocked as they always have done, but the rest? Well the rest were like 'oh, this one...again'. I still think that no matter how good ES & TT are as musicians they just dont play the songs with any passion or fire. Why ES bothered having double bass drums when I couldn't hear them being used was a shame. Strangely some of the songs sounded slow, Love Gun & DRC especially.

I know it isn't gonna change, but that doesn't stop me feeling how I feel, and I feel like it sounds like a band going through the motions.

I was actually disappointed when Paul said this was the last time this stage was to be used as a new stage might have helped freshen up the experience as it wasn't just the set list that was dull the same show again just didn't do it for me. It was advertised as MONSTER and it would have been cool if they brought the MONSTER show here. I actually felt a little cheated!!!

I had a blast, and its always good to see KISS live, but this won't go down as a classic to me. Maybe I should have been as tanked as many of the forum peeps I met to really get into this cos they all seemed well oiled and they all seemed to have loved it!!

Would love to see KISS do a theatre tour again now tho! And I think they either oversold the tickets for this or the venue needs to downsize its capacity cos it was way to packed and WAY too hot.

Thanks for you open and honest opinion. Makes me feel a little better about missing the show now...

Pete wrote:

Thanks for you open and honest opinion. Makes me feel a little better about missing the show now...

Honestly Pete, you really didn't miss anything other than Makin Love & the supposed 'intimacy' of the venue.

The 'intimacy' of the venue wasn't even that special cos it was so crammed and it was only 'intimate' because KISS don't play those sized venues but it wasn't like Islington when it was genuinely intimate. And 1 more thing that bugged me, they eventually do a new album after after 11 yrs in SB, you hope it will shake the set up a bit, but NOT ONE song remains in the set list!!! They revert to type.

And Gene is now Barney and Paul is now Liza!!!

Don't get me wrong tho, it was a great show and I had a great time, but it's all so 'familiar'. It was nothing really exciting. In a nut shell it was the 'same old, same old'.

I like to think I'm objective in my views and just 'cos it's KISS doesn't mean it's the best thing since sliced bread. Like others seem to think...

Or maybe I'm just a real grumpy old KISS fan that is just too hard to bloody please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It could be?

RFFB wrote:

Pete wrote:

Thanks for you open and honest opinion. Makes me feel a little better about missing the show now...

Honestly Pete, you really didn't miss anything other than Makin Love & the supposed 'intimacy' of the venue.

The 'intimacy' of the venue wasn't even that special cos it was so crammed and it was only 'intimate' because KISS don't play those sized venues but it wasn't like Islington when it was genuinely intimate. And 1 more thing that bugged me, they eventually do a new album after after 11 yrs in SB, you hope it will shake the set up a bit, but NOT ONE song remains in the set list!!! They revert to type.

And Gene is now Barney and Paul is now Liza!!!

Don't get me wrong tho, it was a great show and I had a great time, but it's all so 'familiar'. It was nothing really exciting. In a nut shell it was the 'same old, same old'.

I like to think I'm objective in my views and just 'cos it's KISS doesn't mean it's the best thing since sliced bread. Like others seem to think...

Or maybe I'm just a real grumpy old KISS fan that is just too hard to bloody please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It could be?

A little from column A, a little from Column B!

Pete wrote:

RFFB wrote:

I like to think I'm objective in my views and just 'cos it's KISS doesn't mean it's the best thing since sliced bread. Like others seem to think...

Or maybe I'm just a real grumpy old KISS fan that is just too hard to bloody please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It could be?

A little from column A, a little from Column B!

Yep, that's kinda my feeling, in truth!!!

But I also think everyone else just seems so easy to please! I can't believe anyone can be genuinely happy that we got the same set list/show...AGAIN!

As for the new costumes...wow, well they really are sooooooo different from the last tour. Not.

Only Paul's (or Liza as he is now known!) has changed significantly and he just looks GAY!!

RFFB wrote:

Pete wrote:

RFFB wrote:

I like to think I'm objective in my views and just 'cos it's KISS doesn't mean it's the best thing since sliced bread. Like others seem to think...

Or maybe I'm just a real grumpy old KISS fan that is just too hard to bloody please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It could be?

A little from column A, a little from Column B!

Yep, that's kinda my feeling, in truth!!!

But I also think everyone else just seems so easy to please! I can't believe anyone can be genuinely happy that we got the same set list/show...AGAIN!

As for the new costumes...wow, well they really are sooooooo different from the last tour. Not.

Only Paul's (or Liza as he is now known!) has changed significantly and he just looks GAY!!

Maybe the Monstour will be a lot different, I doubt it but who knows?

I think the main issue with the setlist these days is that Paul can no longer do justice to the songs. The last tour that was really shaken up set list wise was the Rock The Nation tour, way back in 2004 just prior to his voice issues. I think we can all agree that he will never recapture what he once had so that means sticking to the same old songs until the day it ends.

Won't stop me from going to any shows (40th Birthday's aside!!) but it'll be with a tinge of sadness I guess.

Anyway, I'd like to hear what Mr Roger has to say about this show too.

How strange different ears hear different things. I thought they sounded great and it was one of the better KISS gigs I've seen (and I wasn't "well oiled" either). I'm sorry we didn't meet up, it sounds we weren't that far from each other as I was leaning on the back of where the soundboard was, had a brilliant view. It was a good Forum meet up too, catching up with some of the nicer and more genuine members is always a pleasure.

Roger. H wrote:

How strange different ears hear different things. I thought they sounded great and it was one of the better KISS gigs I've seen (and I wasn't "well oiled" either). I'm sorry we didn't meet up, it sounds we weren't that far from each other as I was leaning on the back of where the soundboard was, had a brilliant view. It was a good Forum meet up too, catching up with some of the nicer and more genuine members is always a pleasure.

Seriously! Well that just goes to show how crammed it was! I was right behind you on the next bit behind the mixer. Typical. Got to the Worlds End around 6pm and did ask if you were still there, but it seemed not.

I know Utube gets a lot of flack when listening back on a gig but I really think these two especially just sound slow...and I thought so on the night.