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PostSubject: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:19 am

Read yesterday that a teacher was slashed across his face with a knife and had a concrete block smashed over his head.

The offenders? School kids? Nope. Muggers? Nope? Angry parents? Nope...

...they were 3 lads who took offence to this teacher, teaching their sister about other religions to their own.

And what religion was it they follow? Do I really need to say?

I'm sure you can all guess.

Our Prime Minister stated recently that integration has failed and you know what, for once, I TOTALLY agree with him. When you get morons who live in a Christian country taking offence to a teacher doing his job and assaulting him viciously it's time to take a look at where we are and what is happening in our country.

One of my best mates firmly believes that there will be race wars on the streets of the UK in the coming years and with actions like this, it saddens me to say, but I think I am starting to agree with him.
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:21 am

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Read yesterday that a teacher was slashed across his face with a knife and had a concrete block smashed over his head.

The offenders? School kids? Nope. Muggers? Nope? Angry parents? Nope...

...they were 3 lads who took offence to this teacher, teaching their sister about other religions to their own.

And what religion was it they follow? Do I really need to say?

I'm sure you can all guess.

Our Prime Minister stated recently that integration has failed and you know what, for once, I TOTALLY agree with him. When you get morons who live in a Christian country taking offence to a teacher doing his job and assaulting him viciously it's time to take a look at where we are and what is happening in our country.

One of my best mates firmly believes that there will be race wars on the streets of the UK in the coming years and with actions like this, it saddens me to say, but I think I am starting to agree with him.

What was it Enoch Powell said (and was castigated for)....
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:27 am

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What was it Enoch Powell said (and was castigated for)....
The 'blood on the streets' speech? If memory serves...

I never really listened to him as I thought he was an extremist who was just racist, but he may have known something we just didn't want to hear.

Personally, I just don't get why people can't 'live n let live'...whats with all the hate?

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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:40 am

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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:53 pm

You know what, this shit is typical. A good mate of mine has a younger sister who has just left school. When she was about 14 (2008 i think), she was actually stabbed by a Muslim student who took offence to her standing up against some nutcase Imam who was talking about why the school should boycott Israel. Obviously, this guy gave a typical hate speech about why Muslims were being illegally killed by Israel and because kids are kids, they'll believe everything on first hearing... except her. She argued they should have had a counter argument to balance it and walked out before the end. She was stabbed a couple of days later and although she wasn't too bad injury wise, it was obviously an indication of the serious issue this is. The student was let off and the typically left wing clowns said in the paper that this was a 'nasty white supremacist from a nasty background' and the student was provoked. Utter bullshit, she just wasn't willing to listen to a one sided pile of crap and her family are lovely. The story gets even more ridiculous because the headteacher actually tried to force her to write a letter of apology to the Imam, which, having been stabbed by a Muslim student who got away with it, she flat out refused to do. Her parents who are very pleasant well respected people, were vilified by various sources for not forcing her to do it.

Anyway, she eventually refused to attend Religious Education classes. She told them she'd only ever start attending if they provided a counter argument to the one he gave. Whether that be someone from the BNP or UKIP or whatever, the school, being as bollockless as they are, didn't provide it and she never attended one again.

Fact is, she's a smart cookie and just because she was willing to stand up, she was heavily criticized. That is where we are at.
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:09 pm

Skezza...spot on, mate.

It really is become a 'one rule for one, and one for another' situation. I find it very worrying when those who want their rights defended, in a country that does not have it's roots in what it they want, seem to have precedence over those of the countries natural heritage. If that makes sense! It seems to me that minorities of any nature are defended because no-one has the balls anymore to stand up and say 'no'. Because when you do stand up you become a target and it's YOU who gets the race card thrown at YOU! Or you get stabbed like your friend. For what? Voicing an opinion. Or like the teacher in my post. For what? Doing his job.

I have always said religion is pretty much the biggest cause of wars in history and to this day religious intolerance is one of the worlds biggest problems and it would seem, unfortunately, it is becoming a major problem here in the UK. I have no time for bigots, for racists and especially for those who are so closed off they won't even listen to another point of view. You cannot reason with someone who will not listen. And it seems to me that there is a large element of muslims (not all) who are not prepared to listen, or accept, another view of religion. When you hear muslim clerics on the topical discussion shows saying 'the whole world should be muslim and we will fight until this is the way', that actually worries me.

Personally, I'm getting tired of hearing about the rights of 'minority' groups. If you want to live in country not of your faith, or your race or anything else then it's the minority that should fit in with majority of the country they are in. I wouldn't dream of going to a muslim country and start shouting 'I want to build a Christian Church! It's my RIGHT!!!' or telling them that their God is unworthy and they should all follow Christ. Yet that is what is happening here in the UK in reverse.

A muslim friend of mine at work told me that he personally knows of many muslim families who tell their kids not to mix with the, in his words, 'dirty white people' & who are 'below pigs' because they have 'no morals' & do not follow islam and their faith is wrong.

Yeah, integration is really working, isn't it?
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:04 am

That kind of shit has been going on for years. My old man works in a school and one of his NQT (1 year training teachers) had to flea Stoke because she broke her arranged marriage by getting in a relationship with a white man. Her brothers, father etc, broke into her house, smashed all her stuff and were genuinely hunting her down to kill her.

Ridiculous backwards religion where women are looked at as lesser people.
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:08 am

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That kind of shit has been going on for years. My old man works in a school and one of his NQT (1 year training teachers) had to flea Stoke because she broke her arranged marriage by getting in a relationship with a white man. Her brothers, father etc, broke into her house, smashed all her stuff and were genuinely hunting her down to kill her.

Ridiculous backwards religion where women are looked at as lesser people.

It's just a minority of them you know... Shocked Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:36 am

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That kind of shit has been going on for years. My old man works in a school and one of his NQT (1 year training teachers) had to flea Stoke because she broke her arranged marriage by getting in a relationship with a white man. Her brothers, father etc, broke into her house, smashed all her stuff and were genuinely hunting her down to kill her.

Ridiculous backwards religion where women are looked at as lesser people.

It's just a minority of them you know... Shocked Rolling Eyes

Yes, it is a minority, but that minority is causing real social problems within the UK and beyond. Have you heard of any other ethnic or religious minority stab or assault another because someone differed from their beliefs/religion?

I have never heard of any other party who want their law brought in and to overrule the law of the country they are in.

And it is the few who cause the problems but the few shout the loudest and create the problems. Seriously, it sickened me to see those protestors at the Armistice parade shout 'English soldiers burn in hell' DURING the 2 minute silence and then claim they have a right to free speech! You only have this right because British solidiers DIED to protect the freedom of the country you have choosen to be in and to disrespect those people is a disgrace.

Respect is a 2 way street. It is not something anyone is entitled to. I believe respect is earned through your actions. And right now where is the respect being shown to dead Armed Forces troops and to the adopted country of residence?
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:23 am

I'd argue that the arranged marriage overview on women isn't a small issue. I don't believe it is the minority. Many believe in the arranged marriage, but because most of them go through, there is no repercussions, but you hear about these situations where women break the marriage and all of a sudden its an all out manhunt.

I have muslim friends who genuinely don't want to follow it. They are muslim by semantics, but they don't follow it thoroughly. There are a lot of good young muslims who are very westernized, but unfortunately, the use of the internet, youtube, dailymotion etc has allowed the spread of hate speech and youngsters can be sold this.
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:29 am

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I'd argue that the arranged marriage overview on women isn't a small issue. I don't believe it is the minority. Many believe in the arranged marriage, but because most of them go through, there is no repercussions, but you hear about these situations where women break the marriage and all of a sudden its an all out manhunt.

I have muslim friends who genuinely don't want to follow it. They are muslim by semantics, but they don't follow it thoroughly. There are a lot of good young muslims who are very westernized, but unfortunately, the use of the internet, youtube, dailymotion etc has allowed the spread of hate speech and youngsters can be sold this.
Again, I have to agree.

In the last 6 months alone I can recall news stories of 3 or 4 women who have been murdered, by family - brothers & even fathers, for either leaving their husband, not agreeing to go through with an arranged marriage or simply dating someone from outside their religion or of a different race. Even in their own countries there is major problem with women being subject to acid attacks where acid is thrown in their faces for 'shaming' their family. The images and injuries are horrific.

I know of NO OTHER group of people who are so intolerent to those outside their own race or religion and treat their women so badly.

And I too know quite a few muslims who drink, smoke and who simply are not interested in the muslim way, but for the sake of a simple life they go along with it.
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:37 am

More tolerance from the followers of a "Peaceful " religion.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12617562
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:30 am

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More tolerance from the followers of a "Peaceful " religion.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12617562
And with that my point is proven.

They shoot and kill a Christian member of their government for asking for change, yet expect people in the UK, and other countries to accept their views and religion when they are here and make a fuss when anyone in the UK complains.

Complete double standards.

I am beginning to see the point Enoch Powell was trying to make, and I have to say, I find myself now agreeing with elements of his speech.
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:08 am

I try not to get involved in discussions like these 'elsewhere' as they often get quite heated but here we seem to remain quite calm so.....


Is it right for myself as a born and bred caucasian male from the United Kingdom to want to pack up and live in the middle of the Canadian forests away from anyone?

There are times when I despise what happens in the country and how local government kow tows to supposed minorities.

I could rant a lot more but I'll stop there. Suffice to say I'm not surprised that the BNP have managed to get a foothold into the Euro parliament...

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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:35 am

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I try not to get involved in discussions like these 'elsewhere' as they often get quite heated but here we seem to remain quite calm so.....

Is it right for myself as a born and bred caucasian male from the United Kingdom to want to pack up and live in the middle of the Canadian forests away from anyone?

There are times when I despise what happens in the country and how local government kow tows to supposed minorities.

I could rant a lot more but I'll stop there. Suffice to say I'm not surprised that the BNP have managed to get a foothold into the Euro parliament...

I totally agree. But that also is one of the things I do find worrying. It would seem that people are now actually afraid to voice their opinions in public for fear of being labeled 'racist' or because of the possible repercussions. That is kinda what I meant when I said the 'miniority' groups opinions take precedence over the majority and, on the whole, a countries native race.

When did it become wrong for someone to voice their worries/concerns about a situation?

Oh, and no, I too would leave this country in a heartbeat if I could.
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PostSubject: Re: How much more will be tolerated...   Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:50 am

It's the UAF style of thinking. For those of you who don't know, UAF are Unite Against Fascism. They are primarily made up of ultra lefts (Socialist, Communist), students and minorities. Almost every demonstration they have been at there has been violence (unlike the EDL!). They often aim to recruit around student towns and around 2 years ago I had quite a heated row in the middle of Elvet Riverside leading into Durham (I go Durham Uni by the way). As I was walking past a guy walked in front and said "hello sir, we're here to promote anti-fascism. Would you like to sign up to our cause". Now, being fairly objective I asked the male to explain more what they were about. He said "we're a group called Unite Against Fascism (immediately red flagged but i allowed him to continue. should have seen the large sign erected but i didnt). We go around the country protesting violent hate groups such as the EDL, Combat18 and the BNP". He talked about how often they meet and finished by saying "our aim is the wipe evil Nazi organizations like the BNP off the planet". I took 30 seconds to process all of what he said and then responded "the EDL and BNP are both legal organizations. One is a completely legitimate political party... I don't agree with what they stand for, but those who do are free to do so". I clearly struck a chord as he began getting very defensive raising his voice saying "sir, don't you understand that you are perpetuating the idea that Neo-Nazi'sm is okay and that violence against minorities is perfectly acceptable". He interrupted me several times. Wouldn't allow me a word in edge ways and finished by saying "if you don't understand why we are here, it is clear that you are supporting the fascists". I wasn't willing to take that kind of abuse on the street so I gave him some abuse about his attitude towards individuals who don't necessarily agree with his cause and told him that I wouldn't be signing up for an organization that itself promotes a fascist ideology. In the end, wiping the BNP or EDL off the face of the earth is fascism. As I walked away two of the three males who were with him spat on the floor in front of me and the three of them were shouting "see him over there, he's a racist. He supports the BNP, he supports the EDL". Again, they clearly don't understand their own material as the BNP and EDL both distance themselves from each other.

The fact is, I'm not a racist. I don't believe in the persecution of others, but I don't want to sign up for an organization that uses violence to enforce their ideas on racism.
This thing came to a head in Durham last year. The Union invited two BNP MEP's to come and give a speech on multiculturalism. We received various e-mails from the NUS who are partnered with UAF. One of which was from their Anti-Racism, Anti-Fascism Committee. The e-mail threatened violence and demanded we censor the two MEP's. We also had a couple of messages sent from Stoke's local slimey fuck Assed Baig. An absolute villain who has previously argued that 'jihad' (as in all that chopping peoples hands off and shit) is more progressive in a modern day society than the idea of closing the floodgates and supporting the BNP. He also published the names and addresses of local BNP residents with a message "do what you need to do". Link to that here:
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Students-president-stand/article-1559763-detail/article.html

The topic got so heated that Wes Streeting, head of NUS at the time (And complete cunt), came and gave a speech a week or so later. Local television arrived (and caught my friend shouting "Streeting you're a fucking cunt") and I was lucky enough to get into the chamber for the speech. Unfortunately, Streeting was so worried about the backlash, he planted several people (which was later written in the paper). Those people asked very soft questions such as "why do you believe the BNP is harmful to society". Simple questions which he is able to give a defiant response. I was also able to get my question in, which definitely made his skin crawl (this one was caught on local TV as well):
"If we'd asked a radical muslim cleric such as Anjem Choudary or Ibrahim Mousawi to attend, would you have given us the same threatening e-mail". He stared at me angrily and paused for around 10 seconds. He obviously dodged the question claiming that he disagrees with all radical thoughts, but when I asked him again demanding an answer that could be condensed into a yes or no, he said no, we wouldn't have got it.

For those of you who have kids in College, University, this is what you're kids are paying NUS for:

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Dear Vice Chancellor, Students' Union and Debating Society,

Re: National Party invited to speak at "Debate on Multiculturalism" called by Durham Debating Society

In relation to the event that is to take place next week, we are writing to remind you of your duties to those students that are most affected by the threat of the British National Party. You are bound under Race Relations legislation to promote equality of opportunity, eliminate racial discrimination, as well as fulfil the requirements of your race equality policy. We can confidently tell you that inviting members of the British National Party to address your students does not fulfil these requirements and therefore you may bring legal consequences upon yourselves.

Andrew Brons was a member of the National Socialist Movement, a group deliberately founded on Hitler's birthday and responsible for a number of arson attacks on synagogues in the 1960s. He was also the chairman of the National Front (1980-1984) and co-edited their journal. The same Andrew Brons you would like to speak has been seen shouting "Death to Jews", "White Power" and when approached by a Black police constable said "inferior beings like yourself probably do not understand the principle of free speech". The other speaker you have invited, Chris Beverley, is the BNP's main liaison with the Nazi-influenced National Democratic Party in Germany and attended the European National Front in 2007.

This proposed event also poses a health and safety risk to a many of your students. Where the BNP have been active in the past, racist attacks have always increased. When the University of Oxford Union decided to invite BNP leader Nick Griffin to a "debate", students were victims of physical and verbal abuse leading up to and on the day of the event itself. The situation you find yourself in is not unique, but other universities have decided to put the welfare and equal opportunities of their students first and cancel such events.

Their electoral success is irrelevant, particularly when you recognise the abhorrent views they hold and the violent and illegal actions they and members of their organisation have been involved in. We are advocates of free speech and agree that people should be allowed to say whatever they want regardless of whether we agree with it or not, but we also recognise that with this freedom comes responsibility, and if their speech is to the detriment of others' safety, that freedom is negated. We expect you would not allow someone to speak on the right to bear arms on campus or paedophiles whose main message is that sex with minors is acceptable as long as they consent. Yet you would allow a group that thinks that a number of your students do not even have the right to be in this country headline your event.

We were also wondering if you were aware that the Equality and Human Rights Commission has concluded that the membership criteria of the BNP is in breach of human rights legislation. Currently their membership only allows 'white indigenous' people to join. Is this the type of organisation that the University of Durham supports and welcomes? Given the make up of your student body we find it quite shocking that the invitation was even sent. It is even worse that your institution gladly accepts the fees of Jewish, Muslim, LGBT and Black students, many of them on international fees, and yet have given little thought to their right to live and study free from the threat of violent discrimination.

The debating society should cancel this event and offer apologies for the offence that it has caused. Whilst we respect that the students' union cannot dictate to the debating society, it does have the right to impose sanctions on those students that knowingly engage in infringing on the equal opportunities of others. Ultimately it appears that the power in this situation lies with the university and we hope that you will act in the best interests of your students and cancel the event.

Should you fail to listen to our advice you will have a colossal demonstration on your hands. The National Union of Students, Unite Against Fascism, and other anti-fascist organisations are already mobilising nationally and organising coach loads of students to demonstrate at your university on Friday evening. This will no doubt bring with it a lot of negative media attention and if any students are hurt in and around this event responsibility will lie with you.

We would appreciate it if you could outline how you will now proceed with this issue and ensure that those students who are under threat from the BNP's racist and homophobic principles will be protected.

We await your prompt response.


Regards,


Bellavia Ribeiro-Addy
NUS Black Students' Officer
NUS Anti-Racism, Anti-Fascism Convenor

Daf Adley
NUS LGBT Officer
NUS Anti-Racism, Anti-Fascism Committee

Oh and by the way, there is the potential that Assed Baig will be elected NUS president in the next few years. Your kids, are going to be represented by that nutter...
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