Black Sabbath, they're 'Heavy Metal'...right?

Pete wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Roger H wrote:

Now this is why I like this site. I made a critical post and no one bats an eyelid, I get a "Whatever !", a set up to make a joke and a sensible answer telling me we aint going to agree on this one, perfect ! Unlike a certain other forum where, I suspect, all Hell would have broken lose by now.

See I don't understand one-sided thinking like that..Why would it be fun if we all agreed...Where is the colorful discussion and the banter....Disagreeing is passionate and fun....They all sound like they need a good ass kick to me...or at least pull the big stick out.....

For me I think I answered this question by when i thought heavy metal originated...I do think for its time Black Sabbath was definetly one of the hardest rock bands but I don't see where the metal edge and sound had come into play yet...If I think of metal I immediately think of Motorhead as being one of the forefathers and then bands like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden...That is where I see this new genre of music starting...I think those bands would have never gotten there without bands like Sabbath but i still see them as a pivetal step and not the definitive group....

It's because I was obviously trying to get you all to agree with me!

Well spoken, Chrissy! That's funny, Pete!

Considering influence upon the general media/ entertainment industry, it seems to me the depth to which fans embrace the music, as indicated by popularity among the brood and noted in number(s) of sales, "heavy metal" music pretty much left it's first blood marks in '81 and '82, respectively, with the release of Iron Maiden's The Number of the Beast and Judas Priest's Screaming for Vengeance.

Not to offfend . . . there were ten thousand bands playing similar-sounding LOUDER, FASTER AND/ OR HARDER music through the late seventies/ early eighties, and as would be - the beginning may be approximated; however, the initial spark of life hidden. Ofcourse, Led Zeppelin were very well seated in the seventies, and Van Halen hit the shelves in '77 or '78. I think we are in agreement that Def Leppard were very heavy in their dark, early days, and I don't know off of the top of my head when On Through the Night ( their first album) was released, but, High 'n' Dry ( their second) hit the shelves in '81, too.

Pete you goon did you really think I was saying you were one minded????As if!!!!

I was talking in reference to the "other" web site silly not you....

Chrissy wrote:

Pete you goon did you really think I was saying you were one minded????As if!!!!

I was talking in reference to the "other" web site silly not you....

As was I! I posted the same question over there and got told that I was obviously trying to get you all to agree with me.

RFFB & Roger will confirm this.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats is funny......I wouldn't last a day there!!!!!........

Pete wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Pete you goon did you really think I was saying you were one minded????As if!!!!

I was talking in reference to the "other" web site silly not you....

As was I! I posted the same question over there and got told that I was obviously trying to get you all to agree with me.

RFFB & Roger will confirm this.

Yep...I confirm!!!

Went something on the lines of 'you only posted the thread so people could agree with you!!!!'...wierd...

RFFB wrote:

Pete wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Pete you goon did you really think I was saying you were one minded????As if!!!!

I was talking in reference to the "other" web site silly not you....

As was I! I posted the same question over there and got told that I was obviously trying to get you all to agree with me.

RFFB & Roger will confirm this.

Yep...I confirm!!!

Went something on the lines of 'you only posted the thread so people could agree with you!!!!'...wierd...

We have confirmation. Confirmation has been recorded. It's history.

I think its one of those subjective personal opinions really. Some call them heavy metal, some call them hard rock. Hell some say Queens Innuendo album was heavy metal... reaaaaaaaaaaaally? I mean, its just a genre. Like Dave Mustaine said "you shouldn't be tied down to one genre, because then you can't expand". I just think of Black Sabbath as Black Sabbath. They were definitely the start of heavy metal in the sense they incorporated a lot of things still used today, but maybe heavy metal has progressed since then. Although wasn't the term originally coined in Born to be Wild... "heavy metal thunder" which was late 60s right?

Skezza wrote:

I think its one of those subjective personal opinions really. Some call them heavy metal, some call them hard rock. Hell some say Queens Innuendo album was heavy metal... reaaaaaaaaaaaally? I mean, its just a genre. Like Dave Mustaine said "you shouldn't be tied down to one genre, because then you can't expand". I just think of Black Sabbath as Black Sabbath. They were definitely the start of heavy metal in the sense they incorporated a lot of things still used today, but maybe heavy metal has progressed since then. Although wasn't the term originally coined in Born to be Wild... "heavy metal thunder" which was late 60s right?

Very true and good points. Although in born to be wild..Heavy metal thunder was a reference to his Motorcycle...